2022-12-15 Calibration Committee Meeting Minutes

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Date

Dec 15, 2022

Agenda

• Welcome/Network

• Antitrust

• Meeting Minutes Review

• Review Workflows

• Brainstorm for Committee Direction

Meeting Minutes

• Antitrust Accepted

• Meeting Minutes Review/Accepted

• Radar

  • Packaging does not state precision instrument and manual does not state precision part, therefore, if the box was dropped, the part may not show visible damage, but could be compromised internally.

  • Manufactures should add precision instrument to repair manual.

• Alignments

  • Manufactures have stopped adding requirements for alignment check. A lot of the sensors or a lot of clamps or calibration lasers are attached to wheels, so the proper alignment is required. Some manufacturers still don’t have a requirement prior to calibration.

  • The repairers that know the requirements for proper calibration get push back from customers and others if they do these steps due to a lack of the statement in the repair.

  • The definition of a collision could mean all calibrations must need to be done, and due to this reading, it was changed so you would align the calibration and the alignments with the area of repair. This means that you have to use the repair procedure and then align the alignment procedures to the calibration procedures to determine what needs to be completed.

    • Doing a windshield repair vs a windshield replacement is two different repair procedures.

  • Owen started compiling a list of manufacturers that did not have clear alignment requirements that he will share with the group.

    • CIECA is trying to identify the data needing to be transmitted to collision repair industry parties. CIECA is not in a role to go to the manufacturers and request changes, that is more of a CIC role.

      • This committee is trying to help with the terminologies, so in this example, what is a collision, what needs to be done.

        • When a vehicle is in a collision and there is structural damage and you know that because it is earmarked in all the databases with an ‘S', so that includes a quarter panels. So, if a Quarter panel gets tagged than means that it’s considered a crash or a collision that warrants an invasive look and the calibration procedures.

      • How do we align with the different technologies.

        • Technologies may be better defined by what it does and not its name. Each manufacturer can have a name for the lane keep technology, but it keeps the car in the lane.

        • Alot of those terms have been identified by CIC and we could have Chuck Wood speak on what has been adapted.

    • Owens list would be a good work document for the committee to make sure we are all on the same page as a committee, if the document is good, it would be possible for an individual to take the document to the OEM Round Table.

• Flow Chart review

  • The flow chart has some of the requirements, but the documentation is 2 years old and we may be able to add more information.

  • The flow chart states a full tank of gas needs to be used, however, we all know at this time that we use sandbags to replicate a full tank of gas because the repairer cannot afford to put a full tank of gas in ever car repaired to make sure they get the correct calibration.

  • Repair procedures should be written for the average person to be able to read and not an experienced repair technician. This supporting documentation would help lawyers and owners and insurance companies understand the supporting documentation.

  • When alignments are needed, the manufacturer supporting documentation is required for the shop to get reimbursed.

    • Sometimes there may need to be modifications before alignments and that needs to be clear for reimbursement.

      • Pre scan, gain access to diagnostic port, locate and align battery, apply battery voltage.

      • In some cases, for Third Party or sublets, the bumper may already be back on the car, so it is assumed that the bracket is not cracked and is in the correct position and the mounting position of the radar sensors are correct, that data needs to be transmitted.

  • There are ADAS features that are mandated by the government now and it is seen that a car is not safe on the road if they are not working, therefore, it falls back on the repairer to make sure a vehicle is safe.

    • A catalytic converter in California with a straight pipe cannot be driven off the lot, if they don’t want a repairer to fix it, then it has to be towed off the lot.

    • The liability for the shop if they allow a vehicle back on the roads without ADAS functions working properly. CIECAS role is not to worry about the liability but to create a standard to be able to communicate this and retain it in the work file.

• Project Plan Discussion

  • Do we need to have vehicle history file for the repairs?

    • We may not need this for calibration, we should discuss. The system should have preset labor times for calibration of a vehicle.

    • Standardizing time for calibration and prep will be different for every vehicle. It's hard to come up with a overall standard.

    • Keeping the procedures and activity logged is needed. What was actually done on the vehicle as part of that calibrate file history, this helps with sub vendors and when multiple repair facilities are working on a vehicle.

      • History of the repair that initiated the need for calibration

      • Picture report and estimate and then the repair process documented to show was the rear quarter panel repaired or replaced.

  • Need to work on identifying the safety systems on the car as a standard piece of information with every estimate.

    • This would allow the estimate to identify what calibrations may be necessary.

    • Information providers may be able to help us with this because they have stated a number of times publicly that they haven’t set times for scans because they vary based on vehicle model.

Great Meeting Everyone

Up Next

• Welcome/Networking

• Antitrust

• Meeting minute Review

• Review Calibration Workflows

• Review Project plan and scope

Action items

Decisions

Refence Documents

https://workdrive.zohoexternal.com/file/rsuiu6314f10e67a5421ea49b9e0c36e4c37f

Participants

• @Paulette Reed

• Darrin B

• Stacey Phillips

• Darrell Amberson

• Frank Terlep

• Keven Y

• Lee Duaherty

• Roger Marti

• Roy Hall

• Neal Hoffman

• Chuck Olsen

• Owen Parker

• Greg Peeters

• David Mcreight

• Melissa Wolf

• Paul Barry

• Gene Lopez

• Phil Martinez

• Eric Rode

• Nathan Keudell

• Timothy Ronak

• Matt Davis

• Jesus (Chris) Gutierrez

• Benito Cid

Participants in the meetings are noted for your information.  If you have questions on the committee’s activities, please contact a recent attendee. https://cieca.atlassian.net/wiki/spaces/CPSC/pages/49479907