2023-03-01 EV Committee Meeting Minutes

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Date

Mar 1, 2023

Agenda

• Welcome/Networking

• Antitrust

  • This meeting is subject to the terms of the anti-trust and it will be recorded.

• Introduction of Chairs

• Introduction of Members

• Introduction to CIECA

• CIECA Committee Documentation

• Meeting Occurrence

• Project Plan/Brainstorming

• Closing Remarks

Meeting Minutes

• Antitrust Accepted

• Intro of Chairs

  • Frank Phillips, Senior Manager for North America Collision Certified Network at Rivian.

  • Jake Rodenroth, North American Body Repair Program Operations Manager at Lucid Motors.

  • Ginny Whelan, Automotive Recyclers Association

• Intro of Members

• Introduction of CIECA

  • Nonprofit industry association created to develop a common language for computer systems to communicate efficiently. This is to help trading partners with smooth integrations with other business partners.

  • CIECA does not develop software.

  • You can find more information at cieca.com and there is a short video that explains the role of CIECA in the industry.

• Committee Documentation

  • Can be found on cieca.com website.

    • Go to the More/About/CIECA Committees (cieca.com)

    • Select the Committee you want to view and you will be taken to the appropriate Confluence page; https://cieca.atlassian.net/l/cp/gUrT2f24

      • Meeting Minutes

      • Work documents

      • Project Plan

• Meeting Occurrence

  • Monthly meetings to be held First Wednesday of every month at Noon CST.

• Reviewed Project Plan https://cieca.atlassian.net/l/cp/M4eNu80t

  • Create a workflow of an EV from beginning to end of life.

  • Update or create new messages that will help the EV during the Collision and Repair cycle.

  • Create New Code list that applies to the EV.

  • Focus on Safe repair, estimate finding the correct parts and repair facilities.

  • Safety of first responders and tow and recyclers.

    • Training and education

  • Charging capabilites and direct sell impact.

  • New Business Workflows and Use Cases.

  • Define what is a connected car, to help the industry as a whole understand what it is the difference between the connected car and a traditional car.

    • The Connected Car is always getting updates and advancing without going to a shop for changes.

    • Service providers and industries associated to the Connected Car need to understand what it means when you walk upon a connected vehicle and not knowing what the status of the connection is as far as systems and advanced features and enhancements that a manufacturer can literally make just by sending a signal over the air to a vehicle and changing the way the vehicle performs.

      • When a Connected Car is damaged, it may or may not be receiving these over the air updates.

        • When the battery packs are out or when the drive units are out and the vehicle is powered down, they will not get updates, so a new step to the repair is to make sure the vehicle gets all updates before returning to the owner.

    • The average repair better understand a connected vehicle and I know it's an EV committee, but connected vehicles is really going to be a a critical component to any kind of electrification. Every manufacturer who is coming out with an EV is obviously going to have some form or some capacity of connection to that vehicle. And I think that as this becomes more perceived as mainstream, that's an element that can be very easily overlooked and the collision industry, it's always been.

      • Rudimentary to look at what you see visually, right? That's how you fix a car is what you can see is broken. That's. That's your attack. And the connection piece of it is not visible. That is not something that you can just tangibly walk up and see. It takes research, it takes education. It takes knowledge and you have to know where to go to get that. And that's where I think the danger can potentially come into a high voltage vehicle and not properly understanding what you're getting yourself into with the, you know, the digital aspect of the vehicle.

    • The connected vehicle terminology with definitions, the glossary of digital terminology, will be critical to development through this committee, because it's ever evolving from the perspective of part, part usage, part life, and moving it into our world realm, where we're at the procurement of reuse and recycling is.

      • How do we define and separate the ownership information that rides with the vehicle and safely protect all of that?

    • Transfer of sale, whether it's a salvage vehicle or somebody purchasing a used connected electric vehicle.

      • With a Traditional vehicle, you go to a used car lot and you buy a car and you drive it home and it's your car. And there really isn't much else that you need to to concern yourself with. Maybe if there's a transferable warranty or something along those lines that you have to make sure that that is taken care of.

      • With the connected car, there's a there's a lot of implication. If you don't change the prior owner information. If the selling party didn't properly address those concerns with whoever the prior ownership belong to, the new owners being able to actually access all the various manufacturer applications that that could be part of that vehicle, all of the things right, I mean since all the way down to your radio functions and being logged into your Spotify account digitally on a car that you owned and now it's gets sold and somebody else can they access my Spotify account if I didn't get all that information removed.

      • With Connected Car and Total loss vehicle and how is that stuff addressed from a consumer perspective, which auto audit in my mind automatically feeds directly into customer experience and brand recognition, brand loyalty and all of the things that all of us here are critically focused on including the aftermarket space, the recycling space, that's all important, right that that we address those things that are just different than have ever than we've ever really had to think about or consider in our past.

    • How to find the Repair Procedures and get the documentation that is needed for Collision Repair

    • Stauts of vehicle and the subscriptions, are the heated seats supposed to work?

      • There are subscription mechanisms in place to charging and subscriptions that you can access through the car, but you also have access through the mobile app. But subscriptions are tied to banking information, so you have to be careful.

    • Recycling industry or Collision industry is the vehicle intake process. Best Practices of Intake Process.

      • This is a big problem in our industry on how to take in a vehicle that is damaged from a collision.

      • We need to define the intake process and no manufacturer has a definition to take in a compromised EV after an accident.

      • CIC Committee is working on this definition.

      • When is the right time to put a diagnostic tool in and read the data of this vehicle and get information on the state of the battery or if the vehicle is safe or not.

        • Where do you plug in the diagnostic tool? That is based on the severity of the collision.

        • Risk of cars burning down.

        • How to store the vehicle, does it need to be isolated?

      • Recycler saftey when checking the status of a battery. Do we resell or do we need a hazmat team?

      • Who is responsible for Disconnects? Tow? Recycler? Bodyshop?

    • Data pins and stuff and kind of getting some safety on it. Diagnostic laptops are great when you have them, but there's a lot of instances where no one has that ability to gain that information. Retrieving information on a small device or something that can grab that information or display that information within the automobile, the vehicle itself, for people to gain that information is critical and needs to be conveyed and kind of a plain language. So a layperson could understand that there's a significant issue.

      • The the issue I see with that is that you're talking about a car that now has 900 volts and is extremely connected to the Internet, which means it needs level 10s security like beyond security gateways. We we have bank level and type of encryption. So as a best practice that car should be powered down, which is found on the 1st Responder guide, it should be powered down before the appropriate diagnostic tool is available to assess what's going on with that car.

      • Diagnostic tools are not even available to to the aftermarket at this point and that's where, you know, I've said for years that the factory level scan tools have got to be accessible on collision damage vehicles because you're dealing with brand new vehicles that are current model year that have not had their aftermarket data put out into the market long enough for the diagnostic that aftermarket tools to catch up and little different deal than mechanical where you're chasing a mechanical concern. Now we need full visibility of the vehicle and that includes talking to the battery.

• There is an OEM Repair Procedure Committee that is active with CIECA that is looking into ways to make the OEM Repair Procedures data more easily accessed. If you are interested in joining that committee or any of the other Committee’s, please let Paulette know.

Great Brainstorming Session.

Up Next

• Welcome/Networking

• Antitrust

• Meeting minute Review

• Work on the Objectives of the Committee

Action items

Decisions

Related Documentation:

Recording of the Kickoff Meeting can be found at https://cieca.atlassian.net/l/cp/Nzh14Zgv

Participants

• @Paulette Reed

• Ginny Whelan

• Harvey Meshel

• Bill O’Brien

• Jason Norman

• Stacey Phillips

• Haney Steven

• Sean

• Gregg Rebber

• Colin Gerspacher

• Kris Bjerke

• Dirk Fuchs

• Frank Phillips

• Rachel Collector

• Orest Tkaczuk

• Jake Rodenroth

• Brandon Baxter

• Kimberly Sorlien

• John Peixoto

• James Palmer

• Ed McMenamin

• John Moylan

• Paul Bostel

• Pat Sullivan

• Joanna Cohen

• Jeffery Brewer

• Eddie Torres

• Leighton Yates

• Todd Korpi

• Jeff Oldenettel

• Bill Sowney

• Cinthia Carolina Gutierrex Oliveros

• Erin Solis

• Tom Julius

Participants in the meetings are noted for your information.  If you have questions on the committee’s activities, please contact a recent attendee.